Do you or your spouse shut down when things get hard?

You may think you are doing less harm, or keeping the peace. But in fact you can’t ever get what you want in the marriage using withdrawal, because it destroys emotional connection and kills passion.

In this talk today, my coaches Ned and Kelly Vandiver join me to discuss this losing approach.


Together, we take a deep look at how this shows up, in obvious and subtle ways, how it damages your relationship, and what to do instead.

If you’ve ever found yourself avoiding conversations, shutting down, or thought about giving up, this talk is for you.

Join Ned Vandiver, Kelly Clawson Vandiver and I to learn more and break out of this losing strategy! You can also book a call here: if you need support.

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